i was bane and i think i got banned because everytime i tried to log in i couldn't.
i was defending the society as best as i could.
something has happened in the last few months.
That is excellent news Botz! My advice for those nagging and recurring doubts - keep getting educated! READ, READ, and READ more!
It's helped me tremendously.
I am glad things are going well for you and your wife. Pace yourself and don't jump into anything new until you are ready.
But don't stop reading!
Best regards,
CoC
AWESOME!!
seriously, the wts quite often comes upin conversation with my mother,i get all the updates and who was asking about me etc.. and inevitably i can hold my tongue no longer, tho i'm very careful to phrase everything as a question.. so, the subject of dfing came up as someone in her cong just got the boot, and we were talking about shunning and why i don't think 'quit mixing with' means quite what the society says it does.
now, even she doesn't entirely agree with the wt on this one, but then she still defends it and goes on about keeping the cong clean etc.. and we have also talked about other things i don't agree with, un, college, spirit appointed elders, 7th king etc.. and while she doesn't always completely agree with th wt she always defends it and i find myself almost buying into it!
it's not until later that i can think more clearly and see my original point of view makes much more sense!.
Generally I speak to my father about my concerns with the org. Though by the WTS standards he is considered inactive, he still defends a lot of the teachings, mainly that regarding the FDS.
However, there is a way I stay focused and not get shaken by what somebody says in defense of the WTS. It is by realizing that often what is passed off as a defense is actually an excuse. We wouldn't let anybody get away with failed prophecys/explanations, etc. But there is always an excuse as to why the WTS is right despite countless mistakes. That irritates me to no end. And it shuts me down from accepting any nonsense.
Hope that helps. Stay strong and get educated.
CoC
as many of you are aware my brother who is an elder, shared with me another "shut this down moment" in a jc.
a brother who was to go before another body of elders told them that since they had contacted his former congregation they had lost their ecclesiastical privelege and that information they had is now subject to the data protection law including records etc.
when he was told he could not take notes he told the elders the same that they had to abide by the same non scriptural mandate.. apparently it was enough to shut the proceedings down until they called the "mother ship" for instructions.. they were told not to proceed with anything at this time until they got back to the elders.. my brother who hates jc totally said that more and more they are finding people quoting the law to them and the elders are backing off, not sure about the us where they can do anything they please but in the uk the dpa has really messed things up for the society.
This is interesting truthseeker1969. Thanks for sharing.
CoC
i reckon it could be chameleon-man.. .
any ideas?.
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LOL I like Handi-man the best! The WTS is handicapped, and despite what they believe, they have no super powers.
CoC
(And to think, even though I love him, I almost said Batman. He has no super powers either, but he is not handicapped. )
i have talked to quite a few brothers who have served as elders and servants and left the organization.
in most cases their wives have remained in despite the husbands best efforts to persuade his wife that the organization is wrong.
even though the wife can see problems within they continue to press on in service to the society.
SIAM, you hit the bullseye with this one. There are aspects of the org a woman will never experience, NEVER. She can only hear and talk about it, perhaps because of what her husband relayed to her.
While that has softened my wife's stance towards my feelings, she still feels this is the truth and is struggling to do the "right thing".
Anything I've said to her about my experiences has brought her to think, and often agree, but not enough to cause her to leave "the truth".
I can only be hopeful for the future. At least my wife is pretty laid back, which has made it better for me.
Either way, thanks for a great thread.
CoC
yesterday i read about the new watchtower & awake magazine simplyfying (15 pages) on jwd and i got a very big big simle at my face.
(yes, the face is big also...).
because: the simplyfying is based on a new strategy: using internet (jw.org) for distributing the magazine content.. the big smile came from this: at a recent co visit, the co told the congretation the following: "everyone of us who suggests that our magazines and litterature has to be distributed by internet is a potential apostate and against the will of jehovah.
Call the geezer out on what he said!
CoC
first time poster.
i guess this makes me the scary a word.
arent apostates jealous?
NC, I was going to resurrect this thread after reading your 'they want to stop by and talk' thread.
But I see it's been done already. I got curious and wanted to know your background, as I didn't recall reading it before. Boy did I miss a good one! I ABSOLUTELY LOVED your recounting the events that led to present day for you.
You really got me thinking. And can I just say - I think you're awesome! Thanks for sharing.
CoC
this jc is worth listening to, in my opinion he has the elders against the ropes most of discussion.. if you are only going to listen to one, this one is the money shot, this is the one i wish those curious about jw could hear.
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http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zhixl-riwzq.
Marked
i use usualusername as i am not creative enough to think of anything sexier.... .
what significance is there behind your profile name?.
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Mine is from Ray Franz's book "Crisis of Conscience".
It described perfectly how I felt mentally when I found out the truth about the truth and knew I couldn't just discuss it with anybody.
After all, where else would I go?
CoC
